Odds and Ends
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Odds and Ends
Building Family Bonds and Crypto Empires (lol) with Ed and Craig -- Plus, Diablo!
Ever bitten your nails while trying to navigate the world of NFTs and crypto? Join Craig and Ed, as we share hilarious stories about our bad habits and our dive into the crypto space. We discuss how Bro Summer inspires us and the importance of family in our lives. Plus, we'll explore the world of personal branding and its connection to family content – trust us, you won't want to miss this!
We also reminisce about the emotional power of movies, the contrast of joy and sadness, and the strength of our parents’ generation. Discover how pursuing our own goals might differ from our parents' expectations and how we can create our own family legacy.
Finally, we discuss video game recommendations, perfect for both young and old gamers. From Nintendo Switch games like Zelda and Mario, to the immersive world of Hogwarts Legacy, we cover it all. We even share our favorite gaming and drinking preferences, as well as some wild fraternity blackout stories. Don't miss this heartwarming, thought-provoking, and entertaining conversation!
Welcome, welcome, welcome to another episode of odds and ends and friends or related podcast. And I really thought it couldn't get any better than having snowfro on right The dream, the dream guest. And then something happened. I was texting with my bro, heme Ed, and the joy I got from our conversation and then knowing we were going to have a recording together, reminded me that, while that snowfro episode jazzed me up, i was excited Great episode. What I was missing, what I was missing in my life, is this We were talking before we started recording. I like we get to talk on Discord a lot daily and I love that, but I hadn't gotten to speak with you in a bit, in a little bit, and it's already. The vibes are already tingling.
Speaker 2:There are happening. I'm embarrassed about my nail biting. I can just stop biting my nails, Craig. It's bad.
Speaker 1:Well, hey, your honesty, your transparency, our bad habits are out there for everyone. My turbo degening we know That's hilarious twist. It's a cycle. I think my favorite thing was that, because we met after my first two cycles of that were finished, you didn't know that. I have it in me and it will go away again.
Speaker 2:It's almost gone, it's almost gone, yeah, almost almost Not quite.
Speaker 1:There's alpha coming next week, but it went down.
Speaker 2:I'll give you a shout out to the people who have been doing it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:They've been doing it. How bent coins are doing it? How about this?
Speaker 2:What about bends? Do you still do it? I'm out of most of them. Yeah, i told them.
Speaker 1:now I did So.
Speaker 2:now I got suckered back into some NFTs and I did one good flip and two bad ones. I can't right now. Things are too precarious right now for me to be. NFTs are just the most extreme of the rest.
Speaker 1:The markets are dog shit, yeah, yeah No. I just can't. So let's talk about that for a second, because this episode that I meander too long in the intro and I apologize to the listeners. I'm just excited because now you're going to talk video games, i'm going to talk Zelda, we're going to talk Diablo, but we would be remiss. We are going to do that. We would just be remiss if we didn't do a little catch up and Craig, because That's the only thing they care about, probably. Yeah, right.
Speaker 2:They don't hear about video games.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's cool, they play video games They might Yeah, but the space is hurtling toward, like earth to make a big old crater of zero.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:People are worried out there. People are worried, and they should be. But here's the thing I'm not. No, but not from the financial perspective. My bags are absolutely going to continue going down. Okay, yeah, like, not financial advice. These things are going down.
Speaker 2:They're all going down.
Speaker 1:If you don't have a ringer, a Fidenza or Even though it's good. An auto glyph.
Speaker 2:I saw it on Friday. Yeah, but who do they sell? to the one dude who, like, has probably themselves to, to the punk guy who like, who? Yeah, i mean like that's to people who buy NFTs. You know what I mean. So it's like.
Speaker 1:When I read Here's what's. Here's what I love about this. When I read crypto beans and we talked through the years and you're, you've been in the space so damn long. There are crypto billionaires and crypto nine figure airs. Yeah, they don't care because they got in so fucking early. Yeah, that, they have enough for their life. They were living fine and it doesn't hurt them to move a thousand ETH here. Oh yeah, isn't that true? And you know?
Speaker 2:it's exactly That's exactly what I'm. I don't think he's at that level. I could be wrong, i don't know the guy or anything like that, but but it's that like level of You know, like he's.
Speaker 1:He's Our collector whale. I watched a crypto whale poker player lose him a million point five and in one hand, and really be indifferent.
Speaker 2:It's all relative man, it's all you. You know how this, because you've made games and you probably been and all of a sudden the amount of money that was a large amount of money becomes just normal. You know, like the amount of money that. I do that we all play with now. You know, just years ago was like I was.
Speaker 1:No, i love that you said that because I noticed that some like cash game, poker nights Weren't even fun. the same way because I didn't care I played every hand I lost 700 bucks. It doesn't feel right. I stopped sports betting. It's not because the joy factor, because NFTs.
Speaker 2:I made too much on a few Yes, and I was like You have to play the Vegas lines and shit and that's like there's way too much. And then you're like you're betting money. No, but I still like watching sports.
Speaker 1:I'm enjoying it.
Speaker 2:It's fun to put money on there.
Speaker 1:But like Exactly, but I'm not doing it to gain.
Speaker 2:You're not going to make money or like no, i did it for entertainment.
Speaker 1:Yeah Yeah, complete entertainment. We see so fucking eye to eye on that. And the best thing in my opinion and I talked about this on the spaces with Ben, on the spaces with frozen, two awesome related members plug. I'll put a plug in there.
Speaker 2:To bum, do that, but family being a dude, don't fuck. Surely temple bar did. that was what I was for a second.
Speaker 1:Sidebar. Yeah, bro, summer is inspiring. Thanks, ben Stuff, i love. No, no, no, no. This is real though. This is real, ed. What you are doing, while not NFT relevant, is the best fucking thing, because more people should know a that regular dads with lives are in this space. Regular people, guys and girls, i mean, there's moms to Oh yeah, i love you.
Speaker 2:You don't hear about them.
Speaker 1:I mean, we are real people enjoying a similar thing, ben told me it doesn't like me.
Speaker 2:You're like a dad's to grandma. Yeah, that's true. Yes.
Speaker 1:He's so fucking right And your content is so good, but not for NFT land, because we now know it really was a bunch of like 17 to 22 year olds that were primarily like creating, creating negative energy. Yeah And anyway, bro, summer is aspirational. Your kid is older than mine, but I'm having inklings of it. We put Jacob in soccer for the first week. Blossom That's right The picture was great, dude, yes, dude. And then we went to the pool after I was like I was feeling such a fucking family high.
Speaker 2:Yes, family high.
Speaker 1:So then, when you're doing it, i'm loving it. Thanks, man.
Speaker 2:I love to see your stuff Like you need to put some more family stuff up on there.
Speaker 1:I love to see people.
Speaker 2:I've always been a big I, just that's what I enjoy.
Speaker 1:You're getting me close, dude, you're getting me close, i got. I always like my wife and I talked about this. I'm glad we're talking about this. Even We talked about this. You were wearing up pictures of your kid up or something like that. It wasn't a worry. It was that a lot of I wasn't. We do it. We have some.
Speaker 2:If you come over the house, he's everywhere, it's not like that, but it's different to be putting it on here.
Speaker 1:Social media because my account, I've used my Twitter. I'm very transparent about this. I don't have like visions of being Twitter relevant or earning revenue that way. That's not what I do. I like to explore, like an NFT contest, shit tweeting tweeting about sports, tweeting about video games, Cold DMing people to see if I can get business out of it. All of it has worked, by the way. I just like doing it. I like iterating. I'm not gonna do like the build a brand of Craig. I'm passionate about Clare, passionate about related.
Speaker 2:So put pictures of your family on the internet. And here's why. Because what did I? even? if you go back and you look at one of the newsletters I wrote when I first started getting into Kill Bears, one of the big things that stood out to me was the picture Ben with all his little kids, and he's talking about it today. Same thing with the release of the Cubs right, the real person, all the kids are due. Not even real person, but yes, but like, it's his kid, he's doing it with his kids and you look at like Coleman and stuff, and you know he's over there with his kids and everyone stays with their kids doing the. That's what it's about, dude And like. And when I saw I think you're right.
Speaker 1:And when you see that, i think you're right.
Speaker 2:But from a business perspective, I see people and it's maybe, it's No, no, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1:I look, I trust you more. No, they connect. I trust you more. You look like a real person And trust in your business is everything. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I'm like this guy's probably not gonna screw me. You know what I mean. Like this dude, would you advertise your family, and you know what I mean. I don't mean that in any like, but like for real, like if you're just gonna be a scammer.
Speaker 1:you're not posing pictures of your little kids, It establishes a sense of reality. You know what I mean, yeah, And the space doesn't afford for that. But I'm with you. I'm with you, i love it. I would be like, oh, that's where.
Speaker 2:Craig's money goes All right, You know what I mean. Like that's cool, I'm serious dude. Oh. So like those kids are having a good, like that.
Speaker 1:People understand why.
Speaker 2:Oh, i like where you're going with that though That's what I mean, like I'll give Craig money.
Speaker 1:Create the perspective. That's true. Yes, That would help even a 19 year old realize oh, I'm different from that person. Dude, I might be doing this and living my life Degen life. I'm not actually living a Degen life over here I see the Degen's.
Speaker 2:I'm a dad and a business guy, Even though the kids, the kid Degen's that are, like I say, kids, but they're young and old. whatever dude, whatever kids, whatever.
Speaker 1:Whatever the fuck they are, i'm fucking 38. They don't have kids. Yeah, they don't have kids. It's over, i'm 38.
Speaker 2:I can't tell you how many times I see it, or just people reply.
Speaker 1:You're a teacher.
Speaker 2:Well, they go like oh, I can't wait to be a dad. Or like this is what I'm looking at, like this is my goal. Or like people like the dad content, but more than that, craig as a business person. Once again, if I'm looking for SEO stuff and I come across Craig's profile and I see this picture of Craig out as kids doing all this shit, i'm like this dude's, like a freaking dude, like you know he's not like a I love you, but it's time Ed's inspiring me.
Speaker 1:I might You don't even know Like it's just a regular dude Put an end date to my Killabare's PFP and do my favorite picture of me and my boy. Well, there you go. That's all it. That's just That's a very that's a perfect fit for me, dude, yes it is, See, because it means something to you.
Speaker 2:And then, but not only does it mean something Dude look at my lock screen.
Speaker 1:Look at my he's on my he's whipping all day, every day.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Like I love this dude. Yes, i got. I like where your head's at. I like where your head's at.
Speaker 2:Okay, so here you go. You wanted to do it anyway, as you just told me, and then also it will. it's good branding, dude, for your bit, like it makes you look trustworthy. I like that I really didn't again.
Speaker 1:This is the Ed and Craig vibe. Though You help me help one another, i bring nothing to you today, nothing Such crap stories.
Speaker 2:Yeah right.
Speaker 1:But you're giving me absolute fucking gold for my life, right?
Speaker 2:though, Because it is something like how do you feel?
Speaker 1:when you see something Like he's all over the wall, like when you I agree with you, No, no no, you're just making sense of a thing that was hard for me to see. Do you know what I mean? Like you're really making the obstacle that was in my life seem insignificant, because it was. It was a self-imposed obstacle. What are you talking about Of? like, well, wait a minute, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1:I was imposing myself of like. I don't want my social profile to be that, but if I'm proud of what's going on in my life, there are ways to weave that in.
Speaker 2:That's a whole different thing. Yeah, like I know some people are like I'm gonna put a picture of my kid on the internet. Fine, whatever, That's cool, Do that, okay.
Speaker 2:But like if you I will find out how my wife feels about that, Yeah yeah, i saw someone like one of these other big accounts I follow, like you know people having kids and they're posting pictures of the kids and stuff. This was like a year or two ago And I think someone wrote like a DM to them and was like I wouldn't post a picture of my kid. There were a bunch of like weird creepy people And he basically like took that tweet, quote, tweeted it and was like if this is like the first thing you think, like just don't even fucking follow me. Like you know what I mean. Like I'm not. This is like this is fucking life. I'm just having a picture of my damn kid. I'm not trying. You know what I mean. Like people can do all sorts of weird shit, no matter where, wherever, whatever you do. Like people could be out in the streets. That is true.
Speaker 1:You can really take a picture whatever dude.
Speaker 2:Like, you can choose to live like that.
Speaker 1:I like the logic. You know what I mean, though I like the logic.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I'm not like precious about the stuff. It's like I love my family and that's it, and if you were walking down the street you could also take a picture of my family. you know what I mean, cause it's a public street.
Speaker 1:So I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's fucking happening all the time There are cameras everywhere, i don't know whatever, but I also understand that people don't want to do it, whatever I'm saying.
Speaker 1:No, we're not saying we're not saying we shit on that. We're saying that, like I love that my niece and nephew, my sister, did a lot of Facebook posting, cause it's literally the way I can keep up with what's going on. Like I do love that, it's that I didn't even think of it. Like I don't use Facebook yet, so we do the face, we do the portholeing and we send videos through the family chat. But I do think there's going to be aspects of It's happened more recently when he transitioned from just doing like baby shit.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:To like being a little boy.
Speaker 2:And no offense to babies Shout out babies, baby faces forever, but like they, do.
Speaker 1:They is so what.
Speaker 2:I like, i like when they become your little buddy.
Speaker 1:Let me tell you why we're having this conversation is the soccer fucking photo made me like this. This is the bro. I must proliferate this content. Yeah, i must proliferate this content. Well, kray, this is the reason people like it, because people enjoy it.
Speaker 2:I literally like it. It gets good engagement. Why? Just because they say well? I'm seeing you love your family Real fucking life. you know what I mean. Why would you not love someone loving their family? Like that's what it's all about, dude Like I see people having fun with their family and I'm like yes dude, and every time I'm somewhere with a bunch like, even if you go somewhere like, okay, disneyland, right, like we're gonna be going to Disneyland a month When I go there, all I think about not all I think, but like I think in my mind is like everyone in here loves the shit out of their kids And of course, there are people who go there.
Speaker 1:Whatever, that's cool, but like if you're there with a kid like you are there because you love the hell of your kid And you know it's their gout and the shit and your prices.
Speaker 2:You're just doing it because you love your kid And that's great to be able to be walking around in And that's why Disneyland is a great field. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:That's why we like talking about dad. Shit though, ed, because we have very similar way we approach the prioritization of time. Like I won't compromise, while even shit's the busiest it's been, i won't compromise my time with my boy And even if that means in 11 am we're going to the fucking park on a weekday, like we've done that stuff and I want to continue doing that stuff because it's not just like daddy's working. I don't believe in that. I believe like, and it's so. It's like the universe validates right This conversation. Sahil Blooms tweet thread today about being a dad. It all my app because it's about to be Father's Day. Like it's good timing, i get it. My meditation app, putting up a meditate on being a father for 15 minutes. It was the thing I did the last two nights and I'd been struggling to meditate And I fell asleep both times in a beautiful state.
Speaker 1:Because it was all, it was a 15 minute or that I didn't get to the end of. About. The part I remember the most is your breathing. You're just happy to love your family there man. Yeah, man, because it's like then the person talks you through and think of your arms and holding your son in your arms.
Speaker 2:Meanwhile, craig, i'm like I'm like listen to the true crime podcast, fall asleep last night, but like the East area rapist and stuff. Dude, sorry, it was just such a such a strong juxtaposition there that I had to comment on it And I'm like I'm like, i'm like terrible nightmares.
Speaker 1:How do you not have a terrible nightmare?
Speaker 2:I don't, i don't even dream or have nightmares, which is brings me to an exploit. I'm very excited to get my my bipap machine.
Speaker 1:We're real old dads down to do What you start a reading, though you will sleep.
Speaker 2:Everyone, i've read a bunch of about it and people say like the first two weeks, it's like you better quit those true crime.
Speaker 1:I'm so excited I know.
Speaker 2:I know I get back, dude. I've had sleep paralysis before, at least once or twice, and I get some nightmares sometimes and like I get scared bro, like I mean I don't know to people still, it's been a long time. But like I have, no, i have, i think I'd have, i can have, i think I definitely. I guess in my point is like if I had a bed I would be scared to chill it. I cried tonight in an elementary movie That was. That was a good movie, dude, it was pretty good during movies.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, the dad things. Dad, it's the dad thing. It's like fucking funny. Nemo, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Iron Giant, what the fuck? Yeah, dude, i cry a lot of time. I cried Elemental is good. You got to take it, boys.
Speaker 1:See, i did because I will, i will, but can I tell you what made me cry? Yeah, you just see, the fucking kid that won American Idol, that sang with James Blunt.
Speaker 2:No, i did not. I did not. I'll check it out, yeah.
Speaker 1:This 18 year old angel voiced Samoan.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Sing so beautifully. His audition song was Monsters by James Blunt, which I had never heard. It's an homage to his dad, where the where the important line is it's my turn to scare the monsters away, because the dad's sick and stuff like that. Oh, don't get to me. It hit me in my feels, bro. But here's what happened. This is a vulnerable, a vulnerable man. That's what it's all about. The first night I saw it I it coincided with my mom being in the hospital and all this stuff, and I fucking needed that. Cry, dude, oh, hell yeah.
Speaker 2:Fucking you.
Speaker 1:You do because you need to.
Speaker 2:I mean, you do Get it out sometime. Yeah, dude, yeah, ever do the cry. I haven't had this in a long time, but there were, i think, i guess, just times that were just hard, like just the random cry. Bro, you know what I mean? Yeah, the random cry. You just got to, dude, rip it, man, let it rip.
Speaker 1:The rest is real. Business has been booming. I told you. I told you good things are happening, but, like with my mom getting sick, oh, hell, yeah, it's such a joyful cry.
Speaker 2:It's such a yeah.
Speaker 1:To your point of the juxtaposition.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's true.
Speaker 1:Where we were The joy of being with my son and like the Reality That my mom, that my parents, are sick. Yeah, is this weird crash that everyone in our age bracket deals with?
Speaker 2:at some point I get that.
Speaker 1:Nice. So I'm not saying what was me, i'm just sharing that like I never been here before. Yeah, but everyone gets here. It's part of life.
Speaker 2:But I had not felt. It makes you. It makes you like, really Makes me more grateful, yes, for what I got. Of course It makes me like. I look at it, like I look at our parents and I'm like, wow, like how strong to have, just because they all get it. They're all. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:If, unless you're your great grandparents or whatever, everyone's all alive and stuff Your grandparents. No, no, no, every all my folks are.
Speaker 1:All my grandparents are gone. It's like seeing my parents, i agree with you. It shows their strength and their resolve, what they're, and it's like I've even done my best to mature a bit on that, to be like, well, they're not just the simpletons Who don't know how to use smart technology.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:There's a lot Weird, think about it. All right, let's not get all depressed And shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, i can't.
Speaker 1:No, i love it.
Speaker 2:But the dad, the dad, like you, didn't like my old timey voice. No, i mean, i didn't mean no to that, i meant like I'm just fucking around, dude, dude, the dad stuff gets me And that's why, in elemental the theme, like there was two big themes in this, i'd say, and like one of the, i will cry Yeah, one of the themes was the idea of, like you know, wanting to pursue your own goal instead of your parents goal. Right, that's, that's a big theme and like a very strong family.
Speaker 1:I fucking love that. I've been talking about that with a few of my dad friends right now, where older generations were. So about you, do what the family did.
Speaker 2:Immigrate names came from that right. Yes, oh doctors, you got to be this.
Speaker 1:My own mom did it to me by accident. I love my mom the most, but she did it, i'll get you man. Yes, that generation believed in that We have an opportunity to go. Like What?
Speaker 2:if you had a family, yeah, like that's a, that's a big thing. And then it's like, if it's going to happen to me, ed, yeah, that's going to happen to me.
Speaker 1:It might happen to you with the publishing business. Yeah, like you're, you have things.
Speaker 2:I don't give a shit. He doesn't want to do that. You know what I mean. Like me, neither.
Speaker 1:No, that's what I'm saying, that's true. I will say that other people feel differently. Yeah, like my, my good friend, jason. his dad felt differently. He wanted his son in. I don't care either way. I wonder if it's different because we?
Speaker 2:started it, though You know what I mean Like. If it like, ok, so in the movie I'm not going to give too much away, but like. The idea, though, generally, is that like the fire and burger people, they were like immigrants and they came to the city and like you know, and they started their own shop and and that's where they want the daughter to to work. You know what I mean Like and. But if they don't, and if they, if she doesn't take it over, then obviously like she's, that's, it's supposed to be hers, so that's where everything's kind of geared towards. But like. I can understand that more. I think I mean in terms of like, yeah, wishing your kid would take it over, because it's your whole legacy, and like when you're not tired.
Speaker 1:I guess I don't look at it that way I don't look at my family life.
Speaker 1:I think you and me are the same this way. Like I think if I build my family life because my business succeeded, i'm already making good financial decisions, that I'm not a rich guy but I'm making the right plays so that I'm going to be where I want to be. So yeah, i don't need the prestige value of it. Like I would rather if, if at some point, jacob and Lila that's David's kid is like no, we want to do these other things. My dream would be the clarity would fund your initiatives, sacrifice the business for the family, not the family for the business.
Speaker 1:One billion percent. But our predecessors didn't always have that. Some did, some did. But I'm stoked that we're going to be able to make decisions like that. Yeah, so, as a gentle, pivot decisions like what game? of gaming systems to bring in my home, which? I was pivoting to that, it's Nintendo Switch. I know I'm going to get one. I know I'm going to get one. I'm waiting till he's a little older disclaimer, because it's for your son.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for everybody out there.
Speaker 1:That's all. That's why it's a big gamer, though, ed. No, this is why this is why this is a cool conversation. I'm not a big gamer. This gaming section of this episode could, in theory, in the future, be brought to you by Infinigods. They may come on the podcast in the future. Unintended plug. Nice, they are building fun puzzle games. I've played that and there's now a mobile one coming.
Speaker 2:So unintended plug Because I think they're coming on the episode.
Speaker 1:But this video game conversation brought to you by Infinigods.
Speaker 2:Whatever you talk about video games, whoever wants to? yeah, please. Whatever I'm going to say, Exactly.
Speaker 1:So tell me a little more about why I'm going to need a switch, and then I'll. Then I'll pivot to my questions that I actually have about Zelda and Diablo 4. Fair, so I because the the dad context, what we were just talking about. It's too beautiful to ignore. Well, yeah, multiple people have told me this, but you know the most What age is the right age to get started with games And what are, what are those games? And then where does it scale?
Speaker 2:So I mean first off, number one, like we just said, obviously the switch is the move, right, because Nintendo does such a great job at making games that appeal to everybody. So, like, even Zelda, like we just talked about, i mean the Zelda, zelda, mario, all these different games are like perfect examples of games that people who are five love and get gleeful for And then, like people are 35, like are stay up and play all night, all day. You know what I mean. Like, so that Zelda is the perfect example of that And then so I mean, then you look at you look at that, and it's like you can play that with your kid and you're both loving it instead of your what it's a slog for you.
Speaker 2:I want to know what you mean because maybe they're tough, right, some games are tough where you have to, like you have to just continue reading. It's very, very, you know, for both games like an RPG would be very tough to play for a first time, right? You know what I'm saying. Like that's not So. So, yeah, i think Nintendo is definitely the move with that in that regard, because it's just the most kid friendly stuff in terms of, like the age, yes, and my boy seven right now. I'd say he's probably been playing for the three or four years. To be honest with you, i feel like four, feels like the game, the game, honestly, that like there were a few that really stood out that he really loved, but like the big one we started to play together. They, i just remember taking off as like the first game we really played together was Luigi's Mansion, like three I think, the most recent, there it was.
Speaker 1:And that I know that game from the before times. But he loved that game, loved it. And then, well, we know this, we know Mario as a concept is a is a never ending, because look how good the movies is. Exactly Right. We know, we already knew that Mario's IP, i believe, like Mario, is second to well, no Lego is up there, but I think in I saw this it goes Pokemon Mario, sorry, legos below, sorry.
Speaker 2:No, i didn't mean that. I mean I'm sorry I was interjecting, i'm just getting too excited. No, go ahead. The Mario games, right, mario Mario. I grew up say there's my.
Speaker 1:I might say it No, i might say you're right, trust me.
Speaker 2:But then there's a whole ton of Lego games. You have all the Marvel Lego games, you have Harry Potter Lego games, you have Lego undercover like, which is like GTA five, but it's frigging the Harry Potter ship.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, oh, she's going to love the Harry Potter ship.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you know, but there now this is on PlayStation five or whatever, but there's the Hogwarts.
Speaker 1:Are you playing it?
Speaker 2:Hogwarts legacy. Legacy, hogwarts legacy. Oh yeah, oh yeah, eddie and I were playing it. Eddie, we played that too. Is it sick, dude? It's super sick, it's super sick.
Speaker 1:It's no.
Speaker 2:Yeah, here's the problem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she kind of wants it. She would love it, love it.
Speaker 2:It's PS five exclusive, right? I think so. Yeah, so there's PS five for you. I'll tell you one thing, though If you go for PS five, there's this There's a lot of great games on PS five. We, we, we have them all because I love them. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So where do I find the time to do this, though, without feeling help me get through? I'm asking you as a friend again, just like you helped me with my PFP, yeah, just like my aunt is helping me with my meditation that I struggle with. I struggle to prioritize what would technically be me time I threw through a facade. I do enjoy the work. I'm not watching shows as much anymore, like I don't play games.
Speaker 2:I used to like really I play at the. I play deep.
Speaker 1:Now I need to play with someone. Well, let me OK Diablo. See, I don't even understand Diablo. It's a communal game.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, i'm in the common clan, i'm in the Anata clan. You know, the Anata, anata.
Speaker 1:No, no, explain this to me a second. Explain this to me, OK.
Speaker 2:I did not understand that. I apologize on that.
Speaker 1:Much of a new Diablo I played was single player back in the day.
Speaker 2:I can Diablo one No Diablo one was multiplayer dude. They were all multiplayer. They had a campaign?
Speaker 1:I think they had a campaign.
Speaker 2:Yes, Yeah, you can. You can always play by yourself, but you also could party up with people because you could set that's. That was a big part of.
Speaker 1:Diablo, i was telling you, i didn't know that I'm that dense, i didn't know that trading has played a counter strike back in the day Oh, dude trading.
Speaker 2:I used to trade Diablo stuff for real money in my school and stuff like that. Like we would trade Diablo items like oh, like it was this.
Speaker 1:NFTs.
Speaker 2:It's. I think about it like your Diablo sword. We would get like a or like a rare, you know armor or something like that, and my friend and I remember I was like I'll give it to you for 20 bucks, dude, and he's like done, and you know so like dude, fuck, yeah, dude. That's the big big straw about it. Is like killing monsters with your friends, but then, like you, farm in blue, you're getting good drops and then you get to go trade in with other people. That's the fun part is the social aspect. There's websites.
Speaker 1:There's whole websites.
Speaker 2:You can log in and look for what you're looking for And then you'll find like you can DM the person stuff and you're trading And yeah, it's very social. But yeah.
Speaker 1:So what did Diablo four do better than where three was?
Speaker 2:or whatever.
Speaker 1:How big is this game? Maybe I don't even understand how big this game is.
Speaker 2:Craig, this game is so big that it's in the movie theaters. But on the previews before the movies play it's on the like series XM radio. I'm hearing it when I'm like in the fricking showers. I need to Google that.
Speaker 1:It just made six hundred and sixty six million over the over since launch or whatever.
Speaker 2:It's so many millions. I mentioned it because you know, diablo six, six, six, stuff and whatever, craig, this is game, it's got to be the biggest game right now. I can't. Even Diablo three was a fumble, hard, hard fumble. That's why, why do we know that? And that's why four was such a big. Ok, so like Diablo one is unforgettable, legendary masterpiece, like there's not. You know, that was the game you probably played And it was just like dark and gritty and like frigging awesome. But the music in town was like iconic.
Speaker 2:Diablo two came along and it was just fantastic. It really it that Diablo two is really cemented Diablo, probably because that's where you started to farm items, like trying to get you just kill bosses, trying to get good loot, trying to, and then you were trading with people. There was like I forget the name like D2 something. There was like a trading website that was huge. Ok, it was still kind of a I mean, it wasn't like gritty, but it was still kind of a dark game. You know, i still had those elements.
Speaker 2:Diablo three came along and first off, when it came out, there's a few bunch of a bunch of things. One boom, totally broken down, broken right off the bat, like the game. You couldn't even, couldn't even progress because it was like you were getting like one shot from everything. There were blue items which were like uncommon, which were like better than like the most legendary thing. It was just totally jacked dude. And so you had this right at the bat, right, and then they kept trying to patch it and we're not fixing it. Then they also had they introduced the real money auction house which threw everything off to where people you could literally sell on. You, you could link your PayPal account and you could do what I was saying you could do, but it was through the actual game itself and you could literally sell items.
Speaker 1:So they controlled right, but they controlled the marketplace.
Speaker 2:I think they got a bit of a cutter and you can pull you, but you could basically sell. But you did too, craig, like you literally got paid to sell the cards.
Speaker 1:When was that?
Speaker 2:When was that 2013. I think it was 2013.
Speaker 1:So that's why you're saying NFTs, but they were not using the blockchain, they were just doing it like a normal transaction.
Speaker 2:Diablo two came out in 2008 grade. Diablo two, we were doing that's when I was selling it to my friends for money still. But it was just like, hey, give me the money in real life, and then I know you, but I'm just going to trade it to you, you know.
Speaker 1:So are you, are you able to build shit in four and like sell it.
Speaker 2:Okay, so four, okay So three was jacked up for that And it was also kind of cartoony, kind of campy kind of it wasn't. Oh, they changed the slide.
Speaker 1:It wasn't this, yeah, boom.
Speaker 2:Go back to number four dark gritty, again, more open. Okay, they basically solved everything. Four is amazing, dude. Like four, they also introduced like things where you can, you know, you can basically burn things to increase your equipment and like they've introduced like a more economic economy stuff and ways to get rid of things. And like dude, it's awesome, it's just a fun game. And, like son loves it, he's obsessed with it, he plays it on PlayStation five and And what do you do? Do you quest? You can quest. There's a main storyline, but once you beat the main storyline, if you want, you could. So there's a couple of things. What are they? Once you beat the main storyline, you can. You can, i guess, like, from that point forward, if you start a new character, you can skip it, okay. And then there's this there's like mini quests almost, where you complete a bunch of these guys.
Speaker 1:Open world will always be mini quests, will there? always be things like the company Yes is it like ready player one ish where they always drop something in for people to engage with.
Speaker 2:There's always something going on. There's even world events and stuff like that. Yeah, we're like where you have to link up with other people to fight bosses and stuff like that, like so I Remember I do dude, listen to this. This is funny. So I play hardcore right, which is, if I die, my whole character. Oh, okay, i play the man's Wacer where you literally die. Wait a second your character is deleted and all those items are gone. You can start your entire character over. Everything's gone.
Speaker 1:I got into you get to this psycho level of risk when. I was most risk.
Speaker 2:When I started playing path of exile and, and I don't know, probably double to balance with you, i think you had hardcore. I think so. Well, yeah, i think so.
Speaker 1:How many?
Speaker 2:people play hardcore. Not a lot. I just beat the game on hardcore I would say like a week ago or something that now.
Speaker 1:What that was a big game without dying, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, and then I've since died. How do you do that? But I Just, you just gotta be careful, i don't know you just kind of. But well, here's the thing, here's the funny thing. So I, so I, i lost that character on, for you die eventually. I mean, that's just the way it goes. But I started a new character and I was like up to level 30 again. It was taking me like days and I I Got it to this world boss, this huge like dragon thing or whatever right, and I pull up there and it says like the events will start in like three minutes or something like that, or or a minute, i don't even remember.
Speaker 2:But basically someone was like wait, oh, it was okay, let me sorry, i remember this. Now I get up there, yeah, like it was like 20 seconds to go before the event starts, right, and people are chatting and local, everyone's kind of crowned around and someone's like what? like you know, hey, is this? blah, blah, blah. Someone's like oh, you never did it before. And they were like remember, this is all hardcore, so this is all bunch of our court people. And the guys like no, i never did it. He goes. Well, it's like do you have any. He's like this is your first time. He's like yeah. He's like, well, do you have any like escape potions or like life potions that'll allow you to like avoid death one time For like 15 minutes or something, and it's a cool down or something like that, you know. And he's like no. He's like oh well, then, this is your last time, dude.
Speaker 2:And then the fight started and he was not fucking around, bro. I was like I got hit and it took like 98% of my life down and I was like, oh No, and I did. Your life flashes before your eyes, bro, so I can spam open my inventory. I had, i had like one scroll of escape, dude. I hit it, just got the fuck out of there. I got that guy died. I guarantee it, dude. I Got hit one time, bro, and it was like 98 plus like oh Yeah, that's hard, that's so sick.
Speaker 1:So the hardcore mode lets you feel the rush of life.
Speaker 2:Yes, lost yeah Is like Craig, i have to. I can't recommend this enough and I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I have to share it because no, do it, brother. This is playing this game on hardcore for the first time without Looking up any of the videos or any bosses or was insane and insanely fun. Like you are shitting your pants on every fight because, like dude, there were some bosses that took me 10 minutes. Okay, do you remember Craig the, the butcher from Diablo one? Okay, the butcher?
Speaker 2:No, i don't, i have very bad memory of this kind Other than Diablo itself, the namesake, probably the most well-known boss, and all that is is the butcher. Because in Diablo one it was the first boss you ran into. Like you were in the town and they were like Yo shit's fucked up at the church or the monastery or whatever it is right, and you were the crew, i don't remember. But you go into it And then you you walk across and you're like walking this dungeon, people like fucking on meat, hooks and stuff, and then like all of a sudden there's you have to open doors, like you have to click on them and open, or all of a sudden the door slams open by itself And then you hear, oh, fresh meat, and a freaking big dude runs out of the cleaver, dude trying to get you.
Speaker 2:So that was in Diablo one and he's been in like each one, in a way all of them. So, dude, alright, i'm playing and I and I'm my first character, like the game It just came out and I'm already like level 10 or 15 or and I'm in like this dungeon of for the new one, new one. I'm in this dungeon like by myself, dude, and all and all of a sudden, what do you know, dude, the butcher comes out of no, he's a random spawn. They put him in there in certain dungeons And he just starts like he's not a They're.
Speaker 2:You know, monsters have different kind of abilities that you do. They fight different ways, sure? He just bum, rushes you dude and just keeps like I had to run, you can't, i couldn't tank them, i couldn't face tank up, so I was just running all the way. Like took me like five minutes to run all the way back through this freaking Thing. He was him chasing me because I couldn't tell pork, because every time I tried He'd hit me and now and my life, and then you would interrupt it, you know, and so like dude, yeah, anyway, i know I just ran for a long time, but the game.
Speaker 2:I love that dude, it's so much fun.
Speaker 1:So you've been a fan, though, of the franchise from the beginning. Yeah, and it's a successful franchise, even with its dip on three. Yes, you are dead correct. It seems to be over almost 700 million in sales. It's only been out for two weeks. I think, that would be successful in the movie industry. It's successful in the game.
Speaker 2:Oh, it technically launched on one week, sixth right technique.
Speaker 1:So it'll, it'll. It'll very likely grow From there. Now I I heard it's blizzards. You said this too. I think it's blizzards most successful launch Of all time, and they're and they're a big company. Aren't they the ones that did World Warcraft?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Oh yeah, i've been, so they're just, i've loved them since this is man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is macro bullish, though. Right, this is like Nvidia bullish, not financial advice, right We? need like people. People loving the map Yes, people loving video games is good and fell like to. It's just shows you. That's where I'm going with this Good car, where yes, if you make something and this is you giving me the context that Diablo 3 was even a pullback. It's even more exciting that they're back strong because the movie industry showed I'm just giving a bigger picture like we're back.
Speaker 2:But you were back. Yeah, culture, we're back in culture. I just said it to my wife today.
Speaker 1:I swear to God, craig, literally two hours ago I told her water made as much as it did. I was so happy, i just. I think I've seen every two seven.
Speaker 2:I've seen every movie in theaters, craig, so with you, see the bro soma, right, you're amazing.
Speaker 1:It's not even about that. How far away is the local theater for you?
Speaker 2:There's two of them, ones three minutes away, already across three and one is like 20 minutes away. I usually go to the 20 minute wavelength because they have nicer seats.
Speaker 1:Oh it's better. Yeah, yeah, better seats, you do that.
Speaker 2:Well, you gotta do that.
Speaker 1:Is it popcorn every time, though I don't need for me, i'm addicted my boy?
Speaker 2:Oh fuck my boy. Does I a? I ate a. Mmm, if I'm gonna eat anything, i'll probably get like a soft pretzel maybe, but like I I'm so weak 80 does popcorn. My mom blows popcorn and Sierra those popcorn, i can't do popcorn, we're gonna why.
Speaker 2:Craig, my stepmom bought jellybilly Jelly beans off of QVC when I was child and I ate like the whole box because it was so novel And it was like jalapeno flavored and root beer flavored and black liquor adition Popcorn flavored and I got I eat that and I threw up and I got so sick That I had to call out of school the next day. And the only flavor that lingers in my mind and memory. So It's like a bad liquor, like you always remember, the one liquor that really took you out. You can't drink it like smear it off black, like raspberry. I can't raspberry flavored stuff. Dude, i make me feel sick. I drank something the other day that was that flavor and I almost I was like This is the most horrendous thing on our experience. What's your drink? There's gotta be a drink. Yeah, you can drink.
Speaker 1:So here's what's crazy about me I cycled out of most of them because, like it was, jose Cuervo is what it was one.
Speaker 2:Is that the one, like, what's the one that made you like black out, throw up and then like you could never recover, jose Jose.
Speaker 1:Cuervo, tequila where? but I will drink tequila, high-end tequila I'll still drink, is it's so different? but Cuervo is so disgusting to me, yeah, that. I can't even be, i Can't even take the smell of it. It just I get the Cuz. My worst Nights for Jose Cuervo tequila dude, i have to.
Speaker 2:okay, man, i bet you one of my friends has this picture. okay, i, when I was a Freshman or a sophomore, my fraternity. Okay, i'm college.
Speaker 2:Sorry, we had in the early days, 20 years ago We had a formal and My buddy tells me he goes. I saw you walking down to your dates house, like I had to walk all the way across campus, you know what I mean. So it was freshman year. Okay, he goes. I saw you walking to your dates house at like noon And he's like, and I knew you were like gonna be like you were fucking in trouble, you were done All right. So like, so I was, i got to bottle Jose, that's the. So you know the date, my date, like that's what she likes. So I picked it up with her And of course I was like let's go pretty good. So I go to her apartment and we're like drink it. We're already like totally destroyed, dude. And I don't, yeah, i don't.
Speaker 2:I remember going to my fraternity house making it, making it there before the like formal, right, that's awesome. And then I remember being That's a victory, thank you. And then I remember being alone at one. So there's like flashes, i'm starting to lose things. You know what I mean. Yeah, i remember being alone in one of my fraternity brothers, in the rooms not my room and there was a chess board with shot glasses and I was filling them and like playing and drinking. And then I remember. And then the next thing I remember is waking up on the couch Full black out of style.
Speaker 2:Waking up on the couch in the party room, main party room, my fraternity 90 person. it was like a mansion dude In the party room, all dead quiet, by the way. So which is like what In a fraternity and like I only say that's a little fucked up Everyone's gone.
Speaker 2:I missed the formal, so I fall asleep on the fucking couch here or whatever. And anyway, next thing I know I get pictures the next morning or whatever. I kind of collected myself finally on my way back home. I don't know, i found out that I made it back home or whatever, and I see pictures of me and her just on the lawn, completely passed out, blacked out in the middle of the day, on the volleyball court, just laying there in suits and dress, just completely unconscious. So we were. Someone said that I, like, while I was in the club room with like a bottle, and I just dropped a bottle and like it shattered everyone. Wah, you know that kind of level of it's. Just you remind me of this tequila stuff, dude. The picture, though, is me on the ground, like it's an iconic of my own life. She's passed out too. Both of us, both of us. I'm like dude, like for complete formal attire. Here's that, please. In a family neighborhood.
Speaker 2:Just behind this. I'm gonna send you a picture, craig. I'm gonna send you a picture of where the back of my house is. You're gonna laugh so hard.
Speaker 1:You're in a family neighborhood. Yeah, it's crashed out of your mind. You're gonna love this. Oh my God, dude, your stories are the fucking best.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, i mean, like I guess it was, it was probably kind of a dumb story to tell so long, but I but it made me think of it, maybe because that was my main time.
Speaker 1:It's so good, thank you. The last thing else in my life comes from this podcast but me getting more of those stories out of you. Dude, you're gonna love this. I will have juice. For days I haven't laughed that hard in a hot fucking minute, dude. Oh, okay, that was awesome.
Speaker 2:I'm sending this to you right now, doing this live, do you?
Speaker 1:discord or text. I'm gonna text you on it. Okay, take a look at this picture I'm trying to.
Speaker 2:Oh my God Coming in Absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 1:You didn't see it yet It didn't show up. Yet There we go, crazy bullshit.
Speaker 2:I was saying beautiful the way I feel. Whatever credit, whatever credit.
Speaker 1:This is like a well off neighborhood brother.
Speaker 2:Well, okay, Do you see that? The right, that's where it's like a mansion, That's the fraternity house, but you see the volleyball court right there. That's where I was, And then here it's like, if you take a look, you can see it's just a nice little neighborhood. I don't know why.
Speaker 1:You know that's pretty nice neighborhood, It's not, it's very nice neighborhood, pretty good, we're passed out on the ground, oh yeah trees. Where is this?
Speaker 2:This is the state. This is the state of Orange, pennsylvania, yeah, penn State.
Speaker 1:Oh Penn.
Speaker 2:State. You went to Penn State. I forgot.
Speaker 1:That's like a well known kind of big deal school.
Speaker 2:I mean it's a well known school. I don't know if it's a big deal school.
Speaker 1:You see, well, like my school, ucf's on the come up, but Penn State's already there.
Speaker 2:It was a big deal for local state kids, like it's a big deal. I mean, i know it was for me. Honestly, it was for a lot of my friends to go to main campus for four years, because a lot of times you don't get, like, people get accepted to Penn State but they have to go to a satellite campus for a couple of years and then they get the opportunity to transfer to main campus. So you can, you know, so that was, that was cool to do.
Speaker 1:That was like Penn State came into my orbit from my like best man at my wedding and I was his Mike. He always until he moved to Florida and then he changed his mind. He had always revered and wanted to go there And I think it's a, it's cool. I always forget that about you. I don't know why that The many things the border patrol like. You've done very cool shit And you again, i got to just do this. I got your storytelling, which is why you're such a good writer.
Speaker 1:It's why you're such a good writer went. You know what I mean. Like it all connects. I like telling stories.
Speaker 2:Obviously Now what I gotta ask people to like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, No, but here's the thing, Ed, they fucking did. Remember when we had Emily on. Remember when we had certain times we've you've told stories. You don't always tell them.
Speaker 2:I have captive audiences. Certain times when you do So, it's great. I wanna teach captive audience. I just tell stupid stories all day, that's probably why they like me.
Speaker 1:That's so weird.
Speaker 2:It's because I'm that teacher, you know, of course it is Just fucking just derail easily.
Speaker 1:Of course it is Dude, You derail. Here's the thing You teach life through anecdote.
Speaker 2:I sabotage my own Story telling. That's the. You know I'm not one of those Dude it moves the hearts and minds.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but let me throw this at you. Damn, i wanna do Zelda in the next one of these because I'm wanting to force us into frequency.
Speaker 2:I like it Because I enjoy this so much You're supposed to be the bad dude.
Speaker 1:I'm tired. I'm tired, but I would talk more. No, we need.
Speaker 2:We need to do it service. You know we need to do a good service here.
Speaker 1:I well, the Diablo conversation was so fun but we wove in a check in with one another where we're really at what we're doing. Like I really just enjoyed it. Likewise my dude. Again, we'll hear from some of the related fam if they like an episode like this or not or whatever. We had the unintended sponsor of InfiniGods. You know we love Killabares. We've been looking at our Cubs a little bit and we'll even talk a little bit more about that next time we jam here, because I got that cool opportunity to do the walkthrough with Mikhail So I'd love to talk to you more about that. So in the next episode that we'll record together it may not be the next one to come out, because we have some interviews coming up that are scheduled, just like the Snow Fro one. Guys, check that out, check that interview out. If you didn't listen to the Snow Fro episode, he was so like real. We were talking about his race car past. He was like a race car driver hobby He got into a ceramic business.
Speaker 2:I thought he said race card past And that would have been a whole different Oh no, I was like hey, am I? right, no.
Speaker 1:That was pretty yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:He was a fast driving race car driver.
Speaker 2:He was dropping the race card, all right.
Speaker 1:He was doing. he was just going around towns dropping the race card. Damn it Sorry sorry.
Speaker 1:No, he built. He went to mechanic school as a hobby And then, talking about how he got the name, snow Fro was really his like college nickname because he owned a snow cone stand and he had an Afro Like it was just beautiful. It was beautiful, okay. So listen to that fucking episode If you guys want to know more about the founder of fucking Artblocks, one of the legit successful companies to come out of this mess that we love so much. A ringer just sold for six million. That did happen. You know what I mean. Like we call it what it is. Who bought it is irrelevant. I mean it's relevant and irrelevant, but we love you all for listening. If you like the show, please, you know, give us a follow on the related Twitter account. A review on Spotify and Google. We actually have some. I don't know if you had a chance to look like. I think there's like a dozen.
Speaker 1:There's like a dozen on each platform Like people which and I we really appreciate it Things are happening with related Things are happening Like we're having a lot of fun with people. We're building some cool things out of it because we're helping one another. That's the difference. Like Neil with his cool thing frozen fire now. Like, people that want to build things gravitate toward other fun people that want to help, and that's what related is about. I'm so stoked to talk about Zelda and cover the Cubs. Next time we chat We'll put that shit on the calendar, but otherwise, thank you brother.
Speaker 2:Thank you, my friend, love. You Have a great night, dude. Same to you, man. I'll see you next time.